[Lasa] Manuela Picq - beaten by the police?

Wed Aug 19 23:46:14 PDT 2015

Hola otra vez Carlos - En realidad, cuanto mas leo lo que dice Manuela Picq, mas evidente me parece que hay un problema serio de fondo relacionado con las consecuencias de los diferentes tipos de roles que puede asumir un/a investigador/a social.  Y debo agregar que es una problematica muy moderna, mas que postmoderna.

En fin, mientras tanto, el video que mencione en mi mensaje inicial:
    http://www.elcomercio.com/video/manuelapiqc-marchas-quito-policia-detencion.html
solo muestra los ultimos 2 minutos de un video mucho mas largo que aun puede verse en la internet:
    http://www.elcomercio.com/video/imagenes-marcha-manifestaciones-centrohistorico-quito.html
Este video, titulado "Imágenes sin editar de las manifestaciones en el Centro Histórico", acompana la protesta por 44 minutos ininterrumpidos hasta culminar con las escenas de las que hemos estado hablando. Lo encuentro sumamente instructivo y revelador del contexto en el cual se dio el incidente. Vale la pena invertir el tiempo en mirarlo con atencion antes de que lo quiten.

Saludos, Leon

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Subject: Re: [Lasa] Manuela Picq - beaten by the police?

Colegas por favor lean lo que dice Manuela Picq y dejemos de abusar de la jerga posmoderna de que hay varias verdades, o será que la verdad del poder es mas cierta que la de las víctimas de la represión?

http://www.eluniverso.com/noticias/2015/08/19/nota/5075018/se-cayo-imagen-revolucion-ciudadana

Carlos de la Torre
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Subject: Re: [Lasa] Manuela Picq - beaten by the police?

And therein lies the problem, one of credibility. Who is telling the truth. As we know there are many truths and discourses that serve many interests. I'm not implying that the police in Ecuador acted appropriately when they arrested Manuela or others, just reminding us that many sectors were present with their own agendas and events are very complex.
It reminds me of the 80s when the social movements were very active and there was a coordinated effort to undermine their work. Really interesting times to keep an eye on Ecuador. The next two years will bring more confrontations as many sectors want see change and social media amplifies the speed with which news spread but at the same time dilutes the perspectives.
On Tuesday, 18 August 2015, ROSAMARIA TORRES <rm.torres at yahoo.com<mailto:rm.torres at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Hi to all.
Just reading this thread. I am Ecuadorian, live in Ecuador and follow the protests closely.
For clarification:
a) the photo with an eye bruise was circulated by someone in Twitter, a few hours later he rectified publicly and said he had consulted with Manuela and the photo did not correspond to Aug 13, but many kept circulating it. As you know, when these things happen, they are almost impossible to stop in social networks.
b) photos and videos of Manuela being beaten by the Police have been circulated by many, including Manuela and her sister.
c) the bulletin by the Ministry of the Interior saying that Manuela had been captured by strangers and "helped" by the police, was questioned by the judge. She said people who fabricated these communications at the Ministry and the Police will be investigated.
Greetings from Quito.
Rosa Maria

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Subject: Re: [Lasa] Manuela Picq - beaten by the police?

Dear Leon and All,

Thanks for this conversation and thread, it is important to analyze profoundly and correctly the events of these days. But just to add up on this: I don't know, Leon, whether you have been at the march. Also at other occasions and places, the police forces acted or reacted with unduly aggression. On the plaza San Francisco, for example, people where suddenly chased into one corner by horses, biting dogs and clubs - without any reason identifiable - and many where there with babies, families, etc. Not to speak of police drones, visible to everyone, that were used constanly for whatever reason and without and information provided. As anyone knows, drones are able to do much more nowadays than taking pictures...(for example, sniffing wlans, contacts, etc.).
The general atmosphere was heated and tensioned - and sometimes it is important to take the general context into account and not to rely too much on pictures. Correa was not in Quito that night, there was a, perhaps justified, fear of a protesters' coup, reaching the plaza Grande...

Best,
Johannes

(Universidad Andina Simon Bolívar)

2015-08-17 15:17 GMT-05:00 Leon Zamosc <lzamosc at ucsd.edu>:

Hola Manuela - I am glad to hear from you and thank you for responding so quickly. As I said, in your public declarations (at least the ones I have seen) it was not clear that it was the police that beat you, both you and Carlos were rather vague on that. On the other hand, the video does not show them beating you, what I see is the police restraining you when you try to go back.
Of course, I do not question your word, you may have been beaten off-camera. Right now, we are doing what we can to prevent your deportation. But at some point it would be good to hear more details on how exactly things happened and are happening.

All best and I do hope you will be able to stay in Ecuador.

Prof. Leon Zamosc
Department of Sociology
University of California, San Diego

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To: Leon Zamosc
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Subject: Re: [Lasa] Manuela Picq - beaten by the police?

We were beaten by the police
We said it repeatedly in the press
And there are videos showing how obvious it is- it was a violent arrest with beatings by police forces of ecuador
In case it was not clear I hope it is now

Manuela

> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Leon Zamosc <lzamosc at ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> I alerted the ERIP mailinglist about the cancellation of Manuela Picq’s visa and I signed the Academicos Solidarios petition “Stop the Deportation of Manuela Picq”  which is still online:
>   https://www.change.org/p/rafael-correa-government-of-ecuador-minister-of-external-relations-ecuador-stop-the-deportation-of-manuela-picq
>
> One thing that I makes me uncomfortable, however, is the careless emphasis by some colleagues and journalists on the fact that she was beaten by the police. I have been following the declarations of Manuela and Carlos Pérez in press reports and, while they do say that they were attacked, so far they haven’t said that it was by the police. The video that is often cited as proof:
>   http://www.elcomercio.com/video/manuelapiqc-marchas-quito-policia-detencion.html
> does not show the police beating her: it shows them taking Manuela away from the melee and then restraining her when,  at one point, she tries to go back (perhaps worried about Carlos?).  I do not see batons or fists landing on her. Actually the police seems to be making a point of helping, picking up her stuff from the pavement and handing it to back to her.
>
> Another thing I have seen online is a picture showing Manuela with an eye bruise,
>   http://racismoambiental.net.br/2015/08/15/jornalista-brasileira-e-presa-e-tem-visto-cassado-apos-protesto-no-equador-me-sinto-sequestrada
> but in the latest videos including the one in which she states she has been treated well:
>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O44anl2LVsI
> there are no signs of it. Telesur, which had published, the picture, now says that the allegations claiming the bruises were from the police were disproven:
>   http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Foreign-Academic-Detained-in-Ecuador-Riot-Faces-Deportation-20150816-0010.html
>
> We must protest her deportation. So far, however, there is no basis to the claim of police violence against Manuela. If and when it comes, we must of course react to it. In the meantime we, as scholars, must be especially attentive to distortion of the facts, which among other things invariably works against, rather than in favor, of indigenous and other good causes.
>
> Leon
>
> Prof. Leon Zamosc
> Department of Sociology
> University of California, San Diego
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